Despite a similar law being stuck in the courts in Scotland, despite the Scottish plans getting complaints from 12 other European countries, despite the simple fact that it has been proven time and time again that the more you restrict the availability of alcohol, the more people end up drinking and more to the point binge drink. The Irish government has done what it always does. They have stuck their heads in the sand after picking a hair brained idea from the UK that is already on shaky ground and are about to sign it in to law. When will this madness end?
The idea behind minimum pricing isn't too bad. Supposedly it's to stop supermarkets from selling alcohol below cost which in turn attracts customers who will do a full shop while they are there and make the supermarket loads of money. Here's the thing, we already had a ban on below cost selling. It was called the groceries order. All they had to do was bring it back, even if it was only on certain products like alcohol.
I'm on the fence about it though. On the one hand, it seems it should only target the cheap cans of lager that go for about €1 (sometimes less) in supermarkets. This means that the beer will no longer be cheap and those consumers might decide to try a more expensive beer from an independent Irish microbrewery instead? Not likely but it's a possibility. On the other hand, it's just one more ridiculous thing the government has done to drive up the cost of alcohol because of apparent harm and by apparent, we are talking about a small minority of Irish people who have an alcohol problem, not the majority of responsible adults who don't abuse alcohol, treat it with respect and drink in moderation.
Already, Ireland has one of the highest rates of alcohol related tax in the world. Here's the thing, the further north you go, the higher the alcohol tax seems to be and the higher the rate of binge drinking. Let's take Sweden for example. They probably have the highest alcohol tax in the world. The cost of alcohol is ridiculous. Do the people of Sweden stop drinking or even reduce their consumption when they look at the cost? No, they do the worst possible thing. They don't drink at all during the week. They save their drinking time for the weekend and get absolutely slaughtered.
In Ireland, we tend to drink more regularly than that, or at least we did. Sure, the weekends would traditionally entail a little more drinking but not at binge levels as far as I know. Irish people drink less during the week these days and more at the weekends. We are heading towards Sweden and that's not somewhere I want to be.
The further south you go, alcohol is cheaper, less restricted, less taxed, freely available everywhere and they don't have the same level of drinking problems as we do further north. Why is that?
What we need to do in Ireland and similar countries is to try and change our view of alcohol. We need to change our drinking habits and culture rather than try and bury the problem under a pile of taxes and restrictive opening hours.
The sceptic in me might say that a lot of politicians are publicans and minimum pricing only serves to make off-license alcohol more expensive to drive people back in pubs. Personally, I think the pub is the best place to drink alcohol but the choice should be mine and not forced upon me by our elected officials. If I want to drink at home in a responsible manner, I shouldn't be penalised.
Chances are, minimum pricing will not affect me personally because the beer I drink tends to cost about €2.50 per bottle and up. I just wish the government would do something rather than increase the the financial burden of the many because of the alcohol abuse of a few.
What would happen if duty on alcohol was slashed. Vendors, be they pubs or off-licenses/supermarkets can sell alcohol 24 hours a day. If you could grab a beer almost anywhere. Would we, as a nation, drink ourselves in to oblivion? We might go nuts and think Christmas has come early but I suspect that would only last a short while before we got back to normal and I suspect drink less, or at least spread our drinking to save levels rather than keeping it all for the weekend. Getting drunk should be socially unacceptable. It's seen as a macho thing to do, get so drunk you can't remember what a great time you had. I think it's better to try and not get drunk and just enjoy a few beers in a social setting, have a laugh and not have to suffer the next day.
According to this article by Séan Billings almost a year ago, the evidence shows that in the past, when we increased alcohol prices there was a rise in alcohol consumption, not a reduction. I think this hits the nail on the head.
I welcome any comments on this rant.
The idea behind minimum pricing isn't too bad. Supposedly it's to stop supermarkets from selling alcohol below cost which in turn attracts customers who will do a full shop while they are there and make the supermarket loads of money. Here's the thing, we already had a ban on below cost selling. It was called the groceries order. All they had to do was bring it back, even if it was only on certain products like alcohol.
I'm on the fence about it though. On the one hand, it seems it should only target the cheap cans of lager that go for about €1 (sometimes less) in supermarkets. This means that the beer will no longer be cheap and those consumers might decide to try a more expensive beer from an independent Irish microbrewery instead? Not likely but it's a possibility. On the other hand, it's just one more ridiculous thing the government has done to drive up the cost of alcohol because of apparent harm and by apparent, we are talking about a small minority of Irish people who have an alcohol problem, not the majority of responsible adults who don't abuse alcohol, treat it with respect and drink in moderation.
Already, Ireland has one of the highest rates of alcohol related tax in the world. Here's the thing, the further north you go, the higher the alcohol tax seems to be and the higher the rate of binge drinking. Let's take Sweden for example. They probably have the highest alcohol tax in the world. The cost of alcohol is ridiculous. Do the people of Sweden stop drinking or even reduce their consumption when they look at the cost? No, they do the worst possible thing. They don't drink at all during the week. They save their drinking time for the weekend and get absolutely slaughtered.
In Ireland, we tend to drink more regularly than that, or at least we did. Sure, the weekends would traditionally entail a little more drinking but not at binge levels as far as I know. Irish people drink less during the week these days and more at the weekends. We are heading towards Sweden and that's not somewhere I want to be.
The further south you go, alcohol is cheaper, less restricted, less taxed, freely available everywhere and they don't have the same level of drinking problems as we do further north. Why is that?
What we need to do in Ireland and similar countries is to try and change our view of alcohol. We need to change our drinking habits and culture rather than try and bury the problem under a pile of taxes and restrictive opening hours.
The sceptic in me might say that a lot of politicians are publicans and minimum pricing only serves to make off-license alcohol more expensive to drive people back in pubs. Personally, I think the pub is the best place to drink alcohol but the choice should be mine and not forced upon me by our elected officials. If I want to drink at home in a responsible manner, I shouldn't be penalised.
Chances are, minimum pricing will not affect me personally because the beer I drink tends to cost about €2.50 per bottle and up. I just wish the government would do something rather than increase the the financial burden of the many because of the alcohol abuse of a few.
What would happen if duty on alcohol was slashed. Vendors, be they pubs or off-licenses/supermarkets can sell alcohol 24 hours a day. If you could grab a beer almost anywhere. Would we, as a nation, drink ourselves in to oblivion? We might go nuts and think Christmas has come early but I suspect that would only last a short while before we got back to normal and I suspect drink less, or at least spread our drinking to save levels rather than keeping it all for the weekend. Getting drunk should be socially unacceptable. It's seen as a macho thing to do, get so drunk you can't remember what a great time you had. I think it's better to try and not get drunk and just enjoy a few beers in a social setting, have a laugh and not have to suffer the next day.
According to this article by Séan Billings almost a year ago, the evidence shows that in the past, when we increased alcohol prices there was a rise in alcohol consumption, not a reduction. I think this hits the nail on the head.
Even when alcohol sales began declining in 2003 alcohol related harm and disorder actually increased, showing that it was not the problem drinkers mending their ways, but the moderate drinkers cutting down that caused the downward trendSo, a problem drinker will always be a problem drinker, no matter how you tax them. The only people alcohol price increases harm are moderate to low drinkers who might now think twice about reaching for a bottle of wine. The ones with a problem or likely to display anti social behaviour will not be put off. Something else needs to be done, not just something that makes it seem that something is being done when in fact it's not.
I welcome any comments on this rant.
Ah well, retailers in Newry and Derry will be looking forward to a bonus ;-)
ReplyDeleteGood piece, couldn't agree more.
Indeed they will, though apparently there is consultation with NI authorities to make sure we are at a similar level to prevent such a thing.....
ReplyDeleteJust on a legal technicality, it hasn't been signed into law yet -- it's just government policy. The bill is due to be published tomorrow and it'll likely take a few months to get through the Oireachtas and into force.
ReplyDeleteAh, good point thanks
ReplyDeleteMany good points.
ReplyDeleteOn below cost selling. If a supermarket makes a loss on a pint of milk, it's no big deal. It drives punters through the door every few days to buy other stuff. Loss leaders on bulk buy booze deals that stock the customer up for months and give fewer reasons to visit?
Cheap booze attracts punters, especially during the holiday season, but loss leading it makes little if any sense.
That's a good example of the problem actually. The customers who buy cheap booze are not stocking up for months. If they were, we wouldn't have a perceived alcohol problem. They are stocking up for the week. They might be sharing that with their mates of course but the problem is that it's not lasting them months, so they keep coming back to do their shopping and buy cheap booze in the supermarket. Not necessarily in that order.
ReplyDelete@Curmudgeon they are planing on coordinating with Stormont on this, so the MUP will be about the same both sides of the border.
ReplyDeleteI think both Dublin and Stormont will find it's illegal under EU law anyway.
ReplyDeleteCookie is of course quite right about loss-leading - it might make sense on a pint of milk or a loaf of bread, but it doesn't make sense on a slab of Carling that might make up half your total bill, or a can of Special Brew sold to a problem drinker who isn't buying anything else.
You do wonder about a country which wants a minimum price on alcohol to cut down on boozing but then prefers to market itself by getting every visiting president,head of state or famous person photographed with a pint of Guinness in their hand.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying the Irish aren't the full shilling but stuff like this really doesn't help their cause.
I agree and I was even going to mention that but I figured it was already long enough. If a foreign leader goes to the US, they tend not to pose for pictures drinking Budweiser.
ReplyDeleteI love the way the person who buys the slab of whatever is cheapest at the weekend thinks that I have a problem because I would rather drink 2 more expensive beers on a 'school night'. The point made about the Southern European relaxed attitude to drink is bang on the money.
ReplyDelete"We are heading towards Sweden and that's not somewhere I want to be."
ReplyDeleteYou're saying you don't want to be in a country with insanely beautiful women who like to drink.....? ;)
A writer in the UK hit the nail on the head - minimum pricing is a form of regressive taxation, hitting poorer people predominantly, who consider price the dominant factor in their alcohol purchasing.
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